Comments on: Salvation from the Perspective of the Early Church Fathers https://chnetwork.org/2010/03/16/salvation-from-the-perspective-of-the-early-church-fathers/ A network of inquirers, converts, and reverts to the Catholic Church, as well as life-long Catholics, all on a journey of continual conversion to Jesus Christ. Thu, 17 Mar 2022 20:44:41 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.5.3 By: Susan Lauren https://chnetwork.org/2010/03/16/salvation-from-the-perspective-of-the-early-church-fathers/#comment-29875 Sun, 04 Feb 2018 15:13:00 +0000 http://chnstage.wpengine.com/?p=17406#comment-29875 In reply to Scott.

Scott, Did you even read the article? Sigh, based upon your comments, I think not. On your next read of the article, I suggest that you take off your “Protestant glasses.” But consider this, you have not been banned from the website …. as I have been in daring to visit and comment at a number Protestant sites. Welcome.

]]> By: Scott https://chnetwork.org/2010/03/16/salvation-from-the-perspective-of-the-early-church-fathers/#comment-29512 Thu, 28 Sep 2017 05:26:00 +0000 http://chnstage.wpengine.com/?p=17406#comment-29512 “What is this reward we are to
receive, this pay according to our work? Eternal salvation.” Nothing could be further from the truth. The reward is not eternal salvation. 1 Corinthians 3:15 makes it very clear that not all believers will produce good fruit and that some believers will be rewarded in Heaven for their perseverance. Just look at the Corinthians carnality as an example. They were Christians yet were doing despicable things. As a matter of fact there are many verses that Paul is intentionally making the case that faith and works do NOT come as a package. “But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness” (Romans 4:5). This could not be clearer. So what is the obedience or the works that lead unto salvation? Jesus told them, “This is the only work God wants from you: Believe in the one he has sent.” John 6:29.

Also an appeal to “novelty” is a bad argument. There are many things that the early church fathers taught that are so radical no religion would accept it today. For instance, some of the church fathers believed that you get one time repent and that’s it! If you sin one more time you go to hell. Some church fathers believed that only water baptism saves you and the baptism must be done by a Bishop with the water at certain temperature.

Finally, there is a reason that the books of the New Testament were allowed by God as the complete Word of God and not the church fathers. The church fathers were fallible and were capable of misinterpreting what Paul or John said. It’s interesting that not once does John mention that in order to be saved you must repent of your sins or follow Jesus. All one must do to be saved is right here: John 3:16

]]> By: John Clarito Fondales https://chnetwork.org/2010/03/16/salvation-from-the-perspective-of-the-early-church-fathers/#comment-29203 Tue, 04 Jul 2017 22:19:00 +0000 http://chnstage.wpengine.com/?p=17406#comment-29203 and after all these words… what must i do to be saved then?

]]> By: neil https://chnetwork.org/2010/03/16/salvation-from-the-perspective-of-the-early-church-fathers/#comment-28810 Mon, 19 Dec 2016 06:58:00 +0000 http://chnstage.wpengine.com/?p=17406#comment-28810 Thank you Chris, very much appreciate your thoughts on this.

Sadly, so many of my own Evangelicals have exaggerated the ‘free’ grace of God on our behalf so much, so as to lose the rightful place of ‘good works’ even a lifestyle of good works.

The concept of ‘Works can never save you, but you will never be saved without them’ seems to be a denial of God’s grace to them.

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